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n the1948 John Houston
movie, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, three destitute Americans working
as gold prospectors mining the Sierra Madre mountains in Mexico are
confronted by bandits posing as mounted police (“Federales”). When they are
asked to produce their badges, the chief bandit's response is classic:
“Badges? We don’t need no stinking badges!”
Name: Manoy D Oragon
Some guy thinks that the sight of RPS Sierra Madre purposely left aground was a pitiful sight. No, it was not a sign of defeat but a barrier against China's intrusion in the uninhabited island of Ayungin. A pessimist looks at it as defeat; an optimist sees it as an inexpensive yet smart tactical move.
Name: Sam "The Mercenary
We now rely, depend on and "treasure" a junk ship to defend our territories. Something's wrong with the picture. In my opinion, very embarrassing. To think that we actually allow our troops to live there and fend for themselves.. On the other side of the coin, you have the Enrile's, Revilla's and the Estrada's with their national issues in these issues simply goes in cycles... "Paulit-ulit!" Let me say this, eliminate the feudal nature of our politics and we will see the direction of progress.
These islands already belong to China. The only hope you have of owning these islands is if China backs down from the United States. Someone wrote about Russia's land grab and the US not doing anything about it. Remember Korea. China will fight and does the United States have the will to fight for the PI. China is important to the US with trade and business. China is spending huge amounts of money on it's military and the US is going the opposite direction in a huge way. China can play a waiting game. Wait until Iran or Syria or North Korea or Russia starts a serious problem and the US has to deploy troops. Than they can just take the islands by using old women. The US can no longer fight a two-front war.
Name: Manoy D Oragon
Many of us are so passionate defending our ownership of those small islands closer to Palawan even if we don't have the military capability to defend them. Some of our senators reject any agreement to increase the US military presence in this country of ours. Some organizations share the same view. Others are skeptical that US will never come to the aid of this country against China's expansion in both maritime and air space rights in the Pacific. PNoy will sign ADEC when Obama visits the country. There is no stopping seeing more US military forces in the Philippines. We have to accept that. WE NEED USA MORE THAN EVER ECONOMICALLY AND MILITARILY. Who wants to be a follower of MAO than Mauricio ?
The more I look at the photograph of the Sierra Madre the more I feel defeat as a Filipino and the more I pity the PHL. We can all liken this thing to the "Last Stands" in history such as The Alamo or Thermopylae but the reality is still the same. The PHL is helpless against this bully China. Such comparisons may make Filipinos euphoric but really in this modern times there's but a few countries that could stand up to China. And China being an economic giant supersedes all considerations for fighting it no matter the reason.
Name: Manoy D Oragon
This whole situation of " island grabbing" by China will lead to direct confrontation between US and Japan as major powers plus small countries like us. It is brinkmanship at the highest level. If China blinks first, she loses face. Asians value preserving one's reputation or prestige..
The Ayungin Shoal incident was a successful clandestine operation. It was accompanied by 19 journalists (national & international). The boats used; a small research vessel & a fishing boat. The navy personnel wore civilian clothes (no uniforms), just shorts & shirts. Then they encountered 2 Chinese coast guard vessels who gave warnings to leave the area & stop the so called 'illegal activity.' They even crisscrossed in front of our 2 boats but then realized that journalists on board are ready to witness & document any hostile actions from them. Had the Chinese made the stupid mistake or ramming the boats it could have been instant & globally viral news. It was a clever & smart operation on our part.
Name: Sam "The Mercenary"
I have said this before and I will say it again.. World diplomacy is at its maximum effectiveness when backed by a credible force. In the words of Mao Zedong himself, Diplomacy starts through the barrel of the gun. Now, if the Sierra Madre represents the Filipino will to defend itself, it also represents the corroding /rusting psyche of the Filipino when it comes to his priorities.
To those Filipinos who still entertain the idea that the USA will not let the PHL down in the Chinese occupation of the Islands, they need to recall just one word - CRIMEA. And to those looking up to UN for any sort of protection, same thing - CRIMEA. Just for added effect remember that China is richer and more influential than Russia these days. If you were the USA or UN would you go into war with China because of the Ayungin Shoal?
This is the best acts of heroism we can do to show our resolve. But how should we act if this current conflict escalates into an actual shooting war? That is without calling the Cavalry to the rescue. Anyone?
We all hate and do not like what China are doing to us. But, are you doing something for our country? We cannot make war with them but we can do something. The problem is, Filipinos never unite for the sake of our country. They're more on loving themselves ... not for others. For me, buying products of China is not easy.
It's funny, while most of posters are maligning the insect, including me sometimes, my buddy at work is an insect from the mainland. It's weird, right?
China will not give up claiming the island because they want to expand the Feng sui, the selling of poisonous plastics, and to fool more for their invented lucky charms esp. on Christmas and New Year's. China made all except the sky above that's why they were arrogant claiming which is not theirs. The best thing we Filipinos can do is to boycott their products as revenge .. our ammunition to stop that arrogance.
It's clear that the Chinese won't sue for peace, dialogue, or compromise at any time. Its one-track ambition of claiming the whole area of water including territories it doesn't own. They now resort to bully-tactics, outright terrorism, & provocative tactics. The Phil Navy supply ships was closed to being rammed by the Chinese patrol boats. Lucky for us that we reached shallow waters near Sierra Madre. This encounters will be repeated many times over. Our role now is to prevent a small ember into a big fire. Diplomacy, cool heads, & plenty of patience are only allies.
Name: Enteng D'Dragon
It is quite something to read "pride" amongst the posters here citing the rusting hulk Sierra Madre as a symbol of defiance against the "bully" china. I see the contrast with the spiffy white painted Chinese navy ships (see pics in the editorial) patrolling the area of conflict. It illustrate of how pathetically desperate (if not the indifference) of the Philippine is when it comes to preserving international prestige.
Sierra Madre is the rallying "Alamo" of Philippines determination to fight for its territory? Too bad it is a rusting hulk that can't even move by itself anymore-- it really symbolizes the state of affair of the - Philippines! A derelict rusting hulk given as a pittance of aid from the great rich uncle benefactor of the little brown brothers! Remember the Alamo, Remember the Sierra Madre, Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
Name: As I See It
CHINA's political hierarchy still believes in Mao's doctrine 'political power emanates from the barrel of the gun.' Not since WW2 has the world seen 1/2 China increased its defense budget to a staggering level emphasizing the need to acquire high-tech weaponry, exerting any possible effort to attain its ambition to be AT PAR with US military strength & with its dictum 'fight war, win war' and in support of its quest to control as much land areas as possible as in seas, gaining leverage economically and militarily.
Bravo to the "heroes of Sierra Madre." This issue open up the realities why the Chinese become so strongly determined to grab the Spratly Islands or the Ayungin Shoal. Evidently the seeds and roots start from the greed for money and power during the administration of Erap Estrada and Gloria Macapagal Arroyo's program of Joint Seismic Exploration Agreement for Natural Gas, Petroleum and precious minerals with China. The Chinese find that with Estrada and GMA the PHL is easy prey to manipulate and exploit for their own benefit.
I served on that ship in Vietnam when it was called the Harrnett CO. LST 821 it was a great ship then and now doing a great job!
From previous provocative actions by the Chinese, it appears that a dog's bark often might be worse than its bite. This hostile attitude is combination of intimidation, threats, bellicosity, or just blowing of hot air. What might be perceived as a weakness by our gov't might instead be our own strength...with just a handful of brave soldiers manning a rusting vessel in the middle of the sea. As suggested, paint it blue, white, & red & let the world see our colors & let international law prevail. Screw the Chinese.
Name: Jorge Villanueva
I agree with the sentiment alluded by this article. China would certainly be interested in grabbing these offshore islands as easy as taking candy from a kid. But it needs a more corruptible and weak-minded Philippine government. So what it's doing now is intimidate and bully the current leadership while waiting for the next Philippine election and a change of leadership. She knows that there are many corrupt politicians in the country and it's easier to influence them than going against a maelstrom of sympathetic governments in United States and Asia.
Name: Manuel C. Diaz
Let us request the Aquino administration to allot funds for the restoration of the Sierra Madre.
Whatever China wants China gets. What it cannot get it will occupy indefinitely, regardless of what maps, treaties, agreements or history say. The only way to stop this nation from throwing its weigh around is to threaten its economy or military or both. Countries that are being intruded by these Chinese can discuss and argue the legalities of their ownership and sovereignty over the occupied lands until they are blue in the face but that would not stop China. Woe to the world when Globalization and Open Trade was declared by the West. They gave China untold wealth and unbridled power to grab its neighbor's territories. It's too late to stop it now without risking global conflagration.
Name: Phil Researcher
Re: territorial dispute: The Philippines is involved in a territorial dispute with the PRC (People's Republic of China)..The PRC insists that the dispute should be settled bilaterally between the PI & the PRC, however, the Philippines prefers the UNCLOS. a United Nation agency.. The PI is at a disadvantage if we agree bilaterally.. the better alternative is the UNCLOS. The Chinese has the upper hand because they are a giant compared with the PI..So there appears to be a standoff.